the special interest groups spend a lot of energy and resources, school administrators , a whole host of special interest groups, contractors, corporations. we all spend the lot of time and effort trying to influence legislators to get back some of that $24 billion. it's a waste of time. it's a big game to everybody. it's a bpt the taxpayers who hae supported. you know, the state has an obligation to provide basic services, but it does not need that much money to do it. pretty savvy, and they can spend their own money on the things that they need, you know, much better than a bureaucrat can spend for the. so -- and in missouri the governor has a lot of discretion to cut unnecessary things from the budget. if i was governor you can trust me to cut a lot of unnecessary things from the budget. >> okay. that concludes our missouri gubernatorial debate today. >> the first debate the turn presidential candidates mitt romney and president barack obama is next wednesday, october october 3rd. the university of denver. watch and engage with c-span, including a live debate preview starting at 7: